Curse

lyra_song · Oct 05, 2005, 06:43 AM // 06:43

In team arena around 2:00 AM EST american servers.

My team encountered another team with a player named Natures Ne Groe. Battle started normally until both Elementalist on their team were beaten. The two remaining players then proceeded to run around the arena without fighting back. The mesmer was killed but the ranger, the player in question, Natures Ne Groe would not go down.

Apparently the player had used a running build specifically to "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO with people" and proceeded to lead my team in a cat and mouse around the arena for 20 minutes.

the player was a R/W with skills including sprint, dryder's defense, whirling defense, troll unguent, dodge, escape.

I think this kind of conduct is unsportsmanlike and very degrading to other players. It is very upsetting to players like myself who want to battle other players in a fair and level playing field. This kind of conduct should not be tolerated. It was also most unsportmanslike for the player's own teammates because the player was not a supporting or offensive player, but rather just a running player.

I didnt leave the battle but i was disconnected, eventually leaving only our monk to deal with him/her.

Savio · Oct 05, 2005, 06:52 AM // 06:52

First off, don't post ingame screennames without the player's permission. Edit the screennames out of the images too.

Secondly, gwg isn't really a threat.

Third, I think this has been discussed time and time again. Here was the last thread on it:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=running+arena

Finally, it never hurts to bring a snare or something to combat running. Yes, it may be hard to coordinate a team in Arenas, especially the Randoms, but it wouldn't hurt if every player had some sort. Also, most Arenas loop around, so with a bit of teamwork you can corner someone for a moment.

Alone) · Oct 05, 2005, 06:55 AM // 06:55

That's not even as long as how much I waited.

around 50 minutes The rest of us were just chasing while the ranger just kept running around for an hour. One guy went out to smoke, I went to go do homework, other two were just chatting about which beer was better.

One and Two · Oct 05, 2005, 06:56 AM // 06:56

OMG not GWguru!

Runners are annoying...little faggots~

But yeah you can corner them with a little teamwork.

Arturo02 · Oct 05, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57

your first mistake is that you assume your opponent will not run around. Expect runners and bring the means to deal with them and it's no longer a problem.

4 on 2 should win unless the 2 are amazing in pvp or lucky and/or the 4 are not equipped for many possible outcomes and counters.

lyra_song · Oct 05, 2005, 07:00 AM // 07:00

I told him/her i would post them up. They said "yay"...which can be interpreted as indifference or acceptance.

Our ranger actually was doing a terrible job of pinning him/her down and my interrupt/knockdown couldnt catch up because i didnt have any running skills.

One and Two · Oct 05, 2005, 07:09 AM // 07:09

People who run in order to piss people off....

Fall into this category of FAG (not the guild)
1. runners
2. scammers
3. gold beggars
4. dumb shits
5. random leavers

I do believe the majority of people, including Anet, know about these types of people. There isnt much to be done....except cry nerf. Go, join the club, especially since dodge and storm chaser just got buffed.

Savio · Oct 05, 2005, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

I told him/her i would post them up. They said "yay"...which can be interpreted as indifference or acceptance.

Our ranger actually was doing a terrible job of pinning him/her down and my interrupt/knockdown couldnt catch up because i didnt have any running skills.

No running skills? Methinks you need a new build. Is that Dwarven Battle Stance...?

And about the screennames - I don't remember if there's an actual rule about it somewhere, but it's just courteous to leave screennames of people out of it, especially in an adversarial situation like this where you know other people will flame him/her. It isn't necessary for the discussion.

kg_lildude1 · Oct 05, 2005, 07:33 AM // 07:33

just bring pin down and a longbow and youll be fine, honestly these people can be beaten easily with degen and cripples

smurfhunter · Oct 05, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

actually, theres 2 things that are really ish about this runner: he brought escape AND dodge. like hmm.... this guy was planning on running. and hes from iS.

i think hes just an asshole

Sanji · Oct 05, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

I said it once and I'll say it again. They should place a time limit on random arena matches. For example if ten minutes pass, both teams die and nobody is counted as a winner.

Aracos79 · Oct 05, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

With the buffs to water magic, I would think that hydromancers would make a nice choice to combat this sort of thing... at least in the random arenas.

Jetdoc · Oct 05, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

This absolutely cracks me up...it's like the scene in Rocky when he tries to catch the chicken. I would've been dying watching this if I were on the other team, egging him on...

I guess it depends on what you consider "poor sportsmanship"...to me, it's a battle of indifference...

lyra_song · Oct 05, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

This absolutely cracks me up...it's like the scene in Rocky when he tries to catch the chicken. I would've been dying watching this if I were on the other team, egging him on...

I guess it depends on what you consider "poor sportsmanship"...to me, it's a battle of indifference...

PvP is first and foremost, combat. Any sort of combat sport like martial arts and boxing would not tolerate behavior like this.

Theres a difference between being defensive and running away.

There is no honor in this. >.<

Sanji · Oct 05, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I try not to invest too deeply in feelings of sportsmanship or honor in online games. That's because I don't think humanity is ready to develop a system that encourages a good, clean fight between two teams of 4 random dudes on the internet.

People play Guild Wars because it's a game to have fun and otherwise squander their time on. It's pretty hard to come into it with the expectation that your opponent is doing it for "the love of the fight" or anything like that. It's just not that personal or important to most people.

(edit) :\ man I feel kinda bad trying to argue with someone with a Soi Fong avatar.

MSecorsky · Oct 05, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Sanji

I said it once and I'll say it again. They should place a time limit on random arena matches. For example if ten minutes pass, both teams die and nobody is counted as a winner.

That would encourage grief runners who try to make sure no one wins if they can't.

thirtypercent · Oct 05, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

ive met a runner and the match lasted 2 hours.

and... there was once i had a 2 hour 20 minutes match with my monk versus a ranger. no one could kill

Eet GnomeSmasher · Oct 05, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

It was such a bad idea to put running skills into a PVP game like this...especially given how easy it is to build a running and snaring character. You can run forever against most team builds when you can be in running stances indefinately and planting Barbed Traps everywhere. Forget Pindown or Hamstring, with Escape you won't hit them with it or even get close with hamstring to use it. The only thing that will work are hex snares, but that excludes half the classes that dont have snaring hexes.

Aracos79 · Oct 05, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

The ironic thing is that GW is trying to emulate a scenario in which there are no rules. The idea that one can "govern" warfare is absurd (yes UN I'm talking to you). You do what it takes to WIN, no matter what that might be, or how ugly it might look.

Although looking at this situation, I'm reminded of what Patton famously said, the idea of war is to make the other guy die for his country. Running around like a chicken with its head cut off doesn't accomplish that.

Sanji · Oct 05, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

That would encourage grief runners who try to make sure no one wins if they can't.

In what way? They're going to do it anyhow, but instead of wasting a team's time for 20 minutes to an hour or even more, they only have 10 minutes.

No matter how you look at it Anet really hasn't taken a stance on stubborn contests in 4v4 arenas aside from allowing you to map out and perhaps encouraging you not to do one trick pony builds that can't break through stances or enchantments.